Satan Stole My Teddybear SSMT Record Review archive   Satan Stole My Teddybear  FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Profile   You have no new messages   Log out [ dongtin ]  Great quotation Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3          Satan Stole My Teddybear Forum Index -> General Discussion View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 71 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: It carries no legal weight in the case of forum discussions, which are copyrighted to the individual posters. Beyond which, you'd never win a copyright case that involved no profit for the user and no lost revenues for the "copyright" holder. This is clearly a case of fair use. But you're right, you are under no obligation to provide him access to the forum. Back to top twelvetrombones Posts-Too-Much Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1518 Location: Portland, Oregon Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Evermind wrote: That also seems to apply to about 90% of all phD theses being written on this planet, which say a lot but discover very little. In electrical engineering this is typically done for a variety of reasons: one could be that one's research involved buidling, testing, modifying, or often simply maintaining a certain instrument, and the advisor insists that, since usually no documentation of any sort is ever given to the poor chap who's gonna use/maintain the instrument next, the dissertation be a document that can be used as a reference. Or maybe one would just want to pummel their committee into submission by giving them a 250-page dissertation draft, to be read in 4 days, in time for the defense. Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5473 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:49 pm    Post subject: The really sad part is that after, what, five years, these poor kids insist there should be some rivalry between the sites, when I really couldn't care less. One would think that the other parties would have matured a little over time. The bait n switch thing was where SRP posted a specific price for an item. A forum member emailed him about it, to discover that the CD was going to be part of a private auction with the going rate being far higher than the listed price. Bait n switch essentially is a tactic to get someone interested with a misleading ad and then suckering them into paying more. It's unethical and something that's just not going to happen on my forum. Moreover, no one posting trade lists is going to discriminate against any SSMT forum member for any reason whatsoever. If someone happens to be a bad trader or a rip off, that's an entirely different case and I would remove that member. But otherwise, no one will post a trade or sale list and then pick and choose customers. I do not provide webspace for elitists and those who wish to discriminate for any reason. Don't feel like selling to Rog? Then don't post here. Same with any other user. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 71 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Quote: The really sad part is that after, what, five years, these poor kids insist there should be some rivalry between the sites, when I really couldn't care less. One would think that the other parties would have matured a little over time. I dunno man, making fake legal threats over someone archiving a bulletin board thread seems a little less than mature from where I'm sitting... Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5473 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: Quote: The really sad part is that after, what, five years, these poor kids insist there should be some rivalry between the sites, when I really couldn't care less. One would think that the other parties would have matured a little over time. I dunno man, making fake legal threats over someone archiving a bulletin board thread seems a little less than mature from where I'm sitting... Then post elsewhere. You actually make my point well. It doesn't matter if "copyright" belongs to this site or the individual posters. SRP *cannot* wholesale copy another site's contents without permission from either the site owner or the individuals who posted to the thread in question. In fact, if each individual holds the copyright, then he would be required to obtain WRITTEN permission from each person before he reproduces anything. Moreover, since he's ALSO stealing design AND phpBB's code without accepting license agreement with them, we have that to contend with. Someone who posted on the thread he stole expressed discomfort at him using his/her words. Finally, "fair use" refers to EXCERPTS from another work, not wholesale reproduction. Don't like it? Then get the hell out of this forum and don't bother me again. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top Evermind Sir/Madame Post-a-Lot Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 709 Location: oil rig! Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: rogthefrog wrote: Evermind wrote: Only certain perennial truths are worth pursuing, the rest is aimless vanity of those who think that everything is as valuable as everything else. What about those of us who identify an unresolved issue and want to understand it better? They spend a few years, write 400 pages, and gain a pretty good understanding of a particular issue. Nobody else needs to care, and there's no lofty ideal of contributing to human knowledge. Just personal intellectual curiosity. "I am fine with this interpretation of "value" according to your worldview, and I can see where you're coming from. But I must also say that for a large number of people who share my worldview, all this stuff is essentially useless. " Back to top Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 71 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:19 pm    Post subject: He hasn't reproduced the site. IT'S A LINK TO THE THREAD IN QUESTION. You're threatening legal action over what amounts to a link to your website and then you have the gall to accuse others of not being mature? Last edited by Laeth MacLaurie on Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:24 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top rogthefrog Posts-Too-Much Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 2038 Location: Fokof Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: If it was a link it would look like <a href="whatever">Look how lame the SSMTers are</a> But it doesn't. It's a full-page copy of an SSMT forum page. _________________ Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5473 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: He hasn't reproduced the site. It's a link to the thread in question. You have NO clue what you're talking about. That thread does NOT exist on this site any longer. He reproduced it fully on his site. You really need to know what the hell you're talking about. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 71 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: rogthefrog wrote: If it was a link it would look like <a href="whatever">Look how lame the SSMTers are</a> But it doesn't. It's a full-page copy of an SSMT forum page. If it wasn't a link, you wouldn't be able to access the SSMT forums from the page, which you can. All he's done is linked to the webarchive page for this site, which is hardly copyright violation. Last edited by Laeth MacLaurie on Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:26 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top Stretch Sir/Madame Post-a-Lot Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 591 Location: The Wide and Lonely Plains of Texas Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:26 pm    Post subject: Web Images Groups News Froogle LocalNew! more » Advanced Search Preferences Web Tip: Try removing quotes from your search to get more results. Your search - "Shaun Goldstein" Ph.D. - did not match any documents. Suggestions: - Make sure all words are spelled correctly. - Try different keywords. - Try more general keywords. - Try fewer keywords. Also, you can try Google Answers for expert help with your search. _________________ "(T)he semicolon, if used at all, is a spasmodic ornament rather than a help to the understanding." -- Le Baron Russell Briggs Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5473 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:26 pm    Post subject: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: rogthefrog wrote: If it was a link it would look like <a href="whatever">Look how lame the SSMTers are</a> But it doesn't. It's a full-page copy of an SSMT forum page. If it wasn't a link, you wouldn't be able to access the SSMT forums from the page, which you can. It'd be awfully hard to link to something that no longer exists on this site. Get a clue. He stole from this site. Quit being such a mealy mouthed syncophant. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 71 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: rogthefrog wrote: If it was a link it would look like <a href="whatever">Look how lame the SSMTers are</a> But it doesn't. It's a full-page copy of an SSMT forum page. If it wasn't a link, you wouldn't be able to access the SSMT forums from the page, which you can. It'd be awfully hard to link to something that no longer exists on this site. Get a clue. He stole from this site. Quit being such a mealy mouthed syncophant. John As I said, it's a link to a web archive. Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5473 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: I noticed you aren't even going to touch the fact that he violated copyrights and moreover, the wishes of those who participated in the thread. You, sir, are nothing more than apologist for the twit. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top rogthefrog Posts-Too-Much Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 2038 Location: Fokof Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: rogthefrog wrote: If it was a link it would look like <a href="whatever">Look how lame the SSMTers are</a> But it doesn't. It's a full-page copy of an SSMT forum page. If it wasn't a link, you wouldn't be able to access the SSMT forums from the page, which you can. It'd be awfully hard to link to something that no longer exists on this site. Get a clue. He stole from this site. Quit being such a mealy mouthed syncophant. John John -> <- ppl who can spel "sickoffant" _________________ Back to top Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 71 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Quote: Fair use allows limited uses of another's work without approval, but other uses may be approved by implication. For example, when a message is posted to a public email list, both forwarding and archiving seem to be impliedly allowed. It is reasonable to assume that such liberties are okay if not explicitly forbidden. However, when forwarding, archiving or, say, using part of a prior message to respond to an earlier message, be careful not to change the original meaning. No one impliedly authorizes another to attribute to them an embarrassing (or worse) message they did not write! One web site confidently asserts that all list owners must approve before email can be forwarded. Yet, absent rules governing particular lists, I am aware of no legal basis for it. Why would the power of approval be implicitly given to list owners? Beyond that, few who post to public lists would object if their messages are forwarded to others apt to be interested. In the same vein, it seems that few authors would object to having messages archived. That serves the interests of list members who may want to revisit topics addressed earlier. Indeed, most would prefer archives to seeing old topics rehashed -- why one often sees lists of frequently asked questions (FAQs), with answers. Can people revoke implied permission once granted? Circumstances allowing that seem rare. Courts are, at best, reluctant to allow someone to impose a difficult burden on others. Email authors should be careful. Inadvertent messages could be removed from archives, but list owners -- particularly if they are not paid to maintain the list -- may have other things to do than correct members' mistakes. Worse, it may well be impossible to recall inadvertent postings after distribution. And Quote: Private lists. "Private" lists are possible. All who sign up might expressedly agree, say, not to forward list messages. Also, list messages could be archived anonymously, if at all, or access could be limited by use of passwords. Private lists should have few "fair use" problems; permission to use others' posts should be limited mostly by what they agreed to when joining, not by copyright law. Source: http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/copynet.htm Back to top dongtin Bunny punk Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 1 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 9:34 pm    Post subject: John, that form of citation is protected under fair use. Is there some reason you deactivated my previous account? Also, there was no bait and switch: I listed several hundred items, and some were auctioned both on eBay and privately. This affected a handful of items out of hundreds. 'Bait and switch' implies intent to deceive. Second, regarding Rog, I only knew I didn't want to sell to him after I saw this wonderfully mature post: http://www.ssmt-reviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4101 I refuse to sell to people who act like enemies; as I explained to him, it wasn't and isn't personal. You have failed to produce the evidence you had in mind, or proof that I have broken the law. Further, I think you should see this post before you draw erroneous conclusions about my intent: http://bbs.anus.com/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=003303 Thanks! 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