Satan Stole My Teddybear SSMT Record Review archive   Satan Stole My Teddybear  FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Great quotation Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next          Satan Stole My Teddybear Forum Index -> General Discussion View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Freon Trotsky everyone else can fuck off Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 1625 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posted: Jan Mon 31, 2005 4:02 am    Post subject: Persona Vitrea wrote: I kinda feel the same way that Charles Darwin, good empiricist, did: "Doing what little one can to increase the general stock of knowledge is as respectable an object of life, as one can in any likelihood pursue." I agree. I think it's base pragmatism (not well thought out pragmatism of course) that is actually silly. There's nothing wrong with knowledge for the sake of knowledge, and besides you never know when something, even something that seems comletely unimportant most of the time, will have application. As a would-be historian, and I'm sure you (Jordan) would agree, the devil's in the details, and you can never have too comprehensive grasp of an era- because with every new shred of information, our understanding of the period in question (and hence how we actually got here) changes, sometimes radically. And out understanding of the world as it now is changes. So, even a history of womens magazines of the 1920s changes our understanding, fundamentally even, of how the market and consumer culture we now live in came about. It's indispensable as far as I'm concerned. And I have little doubt that your typical tax-crazy arch conservative would find great fault with studies of that sort. James _________________ "Art is not a mirror. Art is a hammer" - Bertolt Brecht "God hates Christians"- me Back to top Bicycle Repairman Sir/Madame Post-a-Lot Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 678 Posted: Jan Mon 31, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Actually, it is true that scientific articles, PhD theses and so on are often obfuscated to the point of absurdity. It takes a couple of years working in a certain field in order to be able to say which research is just bullshit and which is somewhat promising. Also, since your work is judged mostly by the number of papers you've published, it's inevitable that you'll write a lot of rehashes and dupes. So in a way, Evermind is right. Still, these works are way more useful than philosophy or English literature studies, which probably are of interest to less than 0.0000001% of humanity. _________________ Clink! Screw! Bend! Inflate! Alter Saddle! Back to top Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 72 Posted: Jan Mon 31, 2005 8:52 am    Post subject: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: Don't forget Prozak's short lived time here trying to rip off people on this forum with his trade list.... John I've traded with him on 7 or 8 different occasions and had no problems at all. Well, he wasn't so cool when he tried posting his sale list here. He denied one person a deal because he didn't agree with the buyer's opinions on something and then did a bait n switch on another person, which is actually illegal. Since he wasn't willing to treat people on my forum fairly and honestly, he was banned. John Obviously, I can't speak for anyone else's experience, but mine was consistently very good. Back to top Evermind Sir/Madame Post-a-Lot Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 709 Location: oil rig! Posted: Jan Mon 31, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject: Freon Trotsky wrote: Persona Vitrea wrote: I kinda feel the same way that Charles Darwin, good empiricist, did: "Doing what little one can to increase the general stock of knowledge is as respectable an object of life, as one can in any likelihood pursue." I agree. I think it's base pragmatism (not well thought out pragmatism of course) that is actually silly. There's nothing wrong with knowledge for the sake of knowledge, and besides you never know when something, even something that seems comletely unimportant most of the time, will have application. As a would-be historian, and I'm sure you (Jordan) would agree, the devil's in the details, and you can never have too comprehensive grasp of an era- because with every new shred of information, our understanding of the period in question (and hence how we actually got here) changes, sometimes radically. And out understanding of the world as it now is changes. So, even a history of womens magazines of the 1920s changes our understanding, fundamentally even, of how the market and consumer culture we now live in came about. It's indispensable as far as I'm concerned. And I have little doubt that your typical tax-crazy arch conservative would find great fault with studies of that sort. James I am fine with this interpretation of "value" according to your worldview, and I can see where you're coming from. But I must also say that for a large number of people who share my worldview, all this stuff is essentially useless. History is cyclical, and to me the fine details are unimportant because of reasons too numerous and obvious to go into. Knowledge is found and lost, civilisations rise and tumble, universes collapse and expand. In the end, there is always the more immediate question of death and suffering. Only certain perennial truths are worth pursuing, the rest is aimless vanity of those who think that everything is as valuable as everything else. I guess sometime in their future their own acuity will sieve out that which is beneficial and immediate from that which may be fact but is less urgent - which will be left, in turn, to those whose curiosity is not yet steered by as much finality and distress. Contribution to human knowledge is certainly a lofty ideal, but at some point this knowledge quietly bifurcates into two currents: one speaks specifics for a generation or an interest while the other stands outside of them and tries to uncover certain immutable truths. "2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. 3 What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? 4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. 5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. 6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. 7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full: unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. 8 All things are full of labor; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. " -Ecclesiastes I I think I should stop discussing such things on this forum. Back to top Freon Trotsky everyone else can fuck off Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 1625 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posted: Jan Mon 31, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Discuss! Just do so with the knowledge that you're often dealing with materialists like me. BTW: I do understand the value of your worldview. I don't reject it all out of hand. I'm not opposed to the spiritual or sublime, I just tend to reduce it all to subjective experience. I still appreciate it when I *feel* it. And I'm sure some things are perennial as well. I'm not completely barbaric. James _________________ "Art is not a mirror. Art is a hammer" - Bertolt Brecht "God hates Christians"- me Back to top Captain Q Mr. Crotch Shot Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 515 Location: Belgium, centre of the New World Order Posted: Feb Tue 01, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Stretch wrote: No, it's from a collection entitled The Rhetoric of Blair, Campbell, and Whately, edited by Golden and Corbett. The quotation is by the Roman orator Quintilian (35-95 CE) and repeated in Hugh Blair's Lecture X, Style--Perspecuity and Precision, which was originally composed in 1762 or shortly thereafter and officially published in 1783. Stretch Sorry, I should have phrased my question better. I actually meant your signature . Q _________________ "It's better to be approximately right, than to be precisely wrong." - HM Keynes Back to top Stretch Sir/Madame Post-a-Lot Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 592 Location: The Wide and Lonely Plains of Texas Posted: Feb Tue 01, 2005 11:23 am    Post subject: Captain Q wrote: Sorry, I should have phrased my question better. I actually meant your signature . Ah, the light dawns... No, my sig is from They Might Be Giants. It's a line from "Lucky Ball and Chain," off their album Flood. Stretch _________________ "(T)he semicolon, if used at all, is a spasmodic ornament rather than a help to the understanding." -- Le Baron Russell Briggs Back to top Guest Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: Don't forget Prozak's short lived time here trying to rip off people on this forum with his trade list.... John I've traded with him on 7 or 8 different occasions and had no problems at all. Well, he wasn't so cool when he tried posting his sale list here. He denied one person a deal because he didn't agree with the buyer's opinions on something and then did a bait n switch on another person, which is actually illegal. Since he wasn't willing to treat people on my forum fairly and honestly, he was banned. John John: I would like to see some proof on this. So far, during all of my trades, there have been zero accusations of ripping people off, and I know I have not. So, since you've made the accusation, I'd like you to back it up, or back down. Second, I chose not to deal with "rogthefrog" because of his constant personal attacks on me. I choose not to trade with people who I do not trust, and those who detest me are not wise choices to trust. Don't you agree? I'm archiving this post, and we'll see what your reply is; you're either going to produce evidence, or I'm going to make sure that everyone knows you make false accusations. Nothing is distrusted like a liar. best, SRP Back to top Guest Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: meshrinoctus wrote: I just got back from the North American Debate Championships at Cornell, and that quote easily applies to the majority of speeches given. Don't get me wrong, I love debate, but it's pure sophistry. It's all about using a lot of words and a lot of oomph to convince the judge that a few relatively simple, controversial ideas are unquestionable truths. http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/ Debate is usually complete garbage, because it's the technical science of arguing, not the science of arguing for a coherent system (you might say: that is philosophy). Thus, IMHO, "sophistry" fits, but it's worth remembering that debate exists to teach others to argue. Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5474 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: SRP, you have archived a page from this forum without permission and posted it at your own website. All content from ssmt-reviews.com is copyrighted and not to be reproduced without WRITTEN consent. You will remove the page as requested. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top Guest Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 6:54 pm    Post subject: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: SRP, you have archived a page from this forum without permission and posted it at your own website. All content from ssmt-reviews.com is copyrighted and not to be reproduced without WRITTEN consent. You will remove the page as requested. John Hello, I was lurking and saw this topic and I signed up so I could say some very important things. First of all, copyright does not cover ideas or facts, which is what Sir Prozak has published on his webpage. The copyright design is owned by phpbb, which has released it's design to the public under the GNU GPL. Secondly, I would be interested in a direct response to Mister Prozak's response. While the allegations of copyright infringment must not go unnoticed, Senor Prozak's defense must not go ignored as well. I cordially thank you for this service known as SSMTB. I hope to be a contributing member of these forums in no time. Cordially, Shaun Goldstein, Ph.D Back to top Guest Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 6:55 pm    Post subject: P.S. I regged under Iconoclast and it seems to have been deleted. Perhaps database troubles? Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5474 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: Seriously. I'd be more than happy to simply shut down the forum for a few days until you twits get bored. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top Guest Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject: Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote: Seriously. I'd be more than happy to simply shut down the forum for a few days until you twits get bored. John Allegations of attempting to steal are not to be taken lightly. Such false accusations are a form of defamation known as libel. Sincerely, Shaun Goldstein, Ph.D. Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5474 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:05 pm    Post subject: Trolls are truly just wasting their time. See ya. John _________________ http://www.ssmt-reviews.com Back to top rogthefrog Posts-Too-Much Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 2038 Location: Fokof Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Evermind wrote: Only certain perennial truths are worth pursuing, the rest is aimless vanity of those who think that everything is as valuable as everything else. What about those of us who identify an unresolved issue and want to understand it better? They spend a few years, write 400 pages, and gain a pretty good understanding of a particular issue. Nobody else needs to care, and there's no lofty ideal of contributing to human knowledge. Just personal intellectual curiosity. _________________ Back to top rogthefrog Posts-Too-Much Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 2038 Location: Fokof Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Goldstein wrote: First of all, copyright does not cover ideas or facts, which is what Sir Prozak has published on his webpage. The copyright design is owned by phpbb, which has released it's design to the public under the GNU GPL. You're completely beside the point. The *content* (text) is copyrighted and John has a right to demand that it be removed. If Prickoza Ray Fuckwad wants to post a blank PHPBB interface that's fine. If he wants to post his usual drivel about how SSMTers are pathetic, he's free to do that. But posting literal copies of what we have posted here is not allowed if the site's owner requests that it be removed. So shove your fake PhD up your ass and go blow Prozak, why don't you. _________________ Back to top Laeth MacLaurie Bunny punk Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 72 Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: The content of bulletin board/usenet discussions is copyrighted to individual posters, not to the forum owner. Besides, this is pretty clearly fair use. Last edited by Laeth MacLaurie on Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:41 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top meshrinoctus Posts-Too-Much Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 2118 Location: hobart & william smith (geneva, ny) Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: I still want to know what's up with the bait&switch thing. But yeah, be nice pplz. _________________ Back to top Satan Stole My Teddybear Site Overlords & Vengeful Gods Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 5474 Location: Utopia Posted: Mar Sun 06, 2005 7:41 pm    Post subject: Laeth MacLaurie wrote: The content of bulletin board/usenet discussions is copyrighted to individual posters, not to the forum owner. Quote: ©Satan Stole My Teddybear 1997-2005 This actually carries legal weight. However, until SRP removes the page in question, he's not allowed to post to my forum. I'm hardly obligated to provide webspace for a twit. 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